To My Republican Brothers and Sisters:
Conservatives have been asking, with the slightest whiff of schadenfreude, why liberals are whining so much. Why can’t we just accept defeat and move on, as if somehow our reluctance speaks to a deficit in us, and not in their candidate. They ask, as if they would have graciously accepted Hillary if she had won… as if they have ever actually accepted Barrack Hussein Obama… as if I simply imagined the most obstructionist congress in American history—denying the duly elected president the rights of his office—Senate republicans united in a fanatical realization of one goal—block Obama’s every proposal, sight unseen… as if the images of Obama in white paint with a Glasgow smile, a bone through his nose and a toothbrush mustache were all good-natured ribbing… as if…
You would have us believe we’re hypocrites for having difficulties with this election.
To these critics, my republican brothers and sisters, I have three answers.
The first is that, I’m sorry to say, it may take more than a couple of days for some liberals to come around to accepting the legitimacy of your president, especially since he spent the last eight years questioning the legitimacy of ours.
Second, this was not a regular election. What you either don’t understand, or genuinely take pleasure in ignoring, is that we’re not mourning the defeat of our candidate. We’re mourning the death of an idea. We are waking from our lives to learn that a beauty we had taken for granted was only a dream.
We truly believed the election of a man like Donald Trump was beyond the capacity of this country, under any circumstance—whether it be to spite the opposing party, or out of fear, or a desperate cry to be heard. We’ve always defined American Exceptionalism differently than you, but had no less faith in it than you. For many of us the death of this ideal has no parallel in our lives, save for the attacks of 9/11. Many of us are only just recovering from our new normal, emerging from the realization that fundamental assumptions we had made about the quality and character of our beloved nation simply aren’t true.
And while we feel it the strongest, we’re by no means the only people to mourn this loss. Around the world people are shocked, bewildered, and afraid for a very uncertain future.
For half this country, the United States died on Tuesday. And maybe I don’t know the plight of the tradesman in the rust-belt, or a small farming family living on the border, and so these disenfranchised masses are glad to shake things up for me, reminded me that they’re there, and that they feel ignored. And maybe there’s some truth to that. Maybe the plight of those in “the real America”, trying to freely practice their religion while providing for their families as the jobs dry up, have all fallen on deaf ears. And for that, I’m really sorry. You are our American brothers and sisters, and you deserve better, especially from us.
But there’s a flip side to that coin.
See, that same rust-belt tradesman is all too happy to ignore, or even make fun of me for my plight.
See I believe that the earth is warming, and we’re the primary cause. I believe it, I kid you not, as strongly as you believe in Jesus Christ. I believe that even now, with the Paris Accords and every country making a strong effort, an increase of three degrees Celsius is inevitable, and will displace one billion people creating the largest humanitarian crisis in human history. I believe another four degrees Celsius on top of that, and all life on this planet will be extinguished.
But I love my family no less than you, and if by sacrificing my life I could ensure you’re right, I’d do it without a moment’s hesitation. But that commitment is insufficient to affect any change.
You dismiss this plight (and a great many others) out of hand, call us fools, but I guarantee that you don’t know enough about the science to tell us why we’re wrong, or just what part of the picture is incomplete, or what bar would have to be cleared to convince you. You cannot claim to have arrogance less than ours when you can so casually dismiss out of hand that which thousands of independent researchers across every country of the globe have spent a lifetime studying. No, no, no you cannot claim that you, who live in the in “the real America”, are much of a better listener than I am because, on a clear day, I can see from the top of my Ivory tower just about as far as you can from atop that working man’s chip on your shoulder.
This is just one of a great many of our plights you’re too happy to ignore, even mock. But try as you might to insist that your families are more real, more important, more American…. They may be no less important, but they’re not more important either.
My third and final response to why this was no ordinary election, is that we’ve never sent you a candidate you had to fear. When Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, came to power, none of you had cause to wake up in the middle of the night, terrified that the government was coming to take you and your family. I’m all too aware that many of you felt that way. If you listened to Glen Beck, who riled people up with Nazi regalia, and stories of Obama’s brown shirt youth core, his secret Muslim plan to invoke Sharia law, put you in front of a death panel and take your guns, then Obama scared you. But it’s not our fault you believed the lunacy (and it was—utter madness what your side claimed of him).
On the other hand, the person telling us that Trump is coming for us isn’t some left-wing radio show nut-job, but the candidate himself; and we take him at his word. He’s defended the practice of internment during WWII, and suggested we might need that again (a claim he’s since flatly rejected, but that’s cold comfort to the 3.3 million Americans he’s said he wants to surveil), that he thinks people who disagree with him should be punched in the face or have their head bashed in, when he can’t condemn the KKK or his own supporters saying that they should light a black man on fire, when he offers to pay the legal fees of a man who sucker punches a protester, when he says he’s going to shut down any newspaper or media outlet which says something he thinks is unfair (which, surprisingly, is anything that even whiffs of disagreeing with him), when this man says he likes the law and order kept by people like Saddam Hussain, Kim Jung Un, and Vladimir Putin, and that he’s going to use the power of his office to lock up a political rival because he doesn’t like how the investigation by a republican FBI director panned out, and mistakes political punditry as fact—innocent until proven guilty a luxury democrats don’t deserve…
It has not escaped our notice that the vast majority of people affected by these policies don’t vote republican.
Tell me with a straight face that there’s ever been a person our side threatened yours like this, tell me I’m misrepresenting him, and I’ll sit down and shut up. I don’t think you can.
Attitude reflects leadership, and his attitude has already emboldened acts of racism, hatred, and violence against us as the KKK is emboldened more than any time in the last half century.
Let that sink in. Because of your candidate, the KKK is emboldened more than at any time in the last half century.
You can’t blame this one on the lame stream media. And you can’t blame it on us. You, the family values voters did this, elected this man who wants to grab my daughter by the pussy. You’ve sent us a candidate like no other, ask us to accept him, and wriggle with glee and call us hypocrites when we balk. And you say it is our fault. We forced you to elect him.
We’ve made a lot of mistakes, but we never sent you a candidate who threatened you, and we never called compromise a four-letter word.
That’s why we mourn, my American Brothers.
The reason this is different than past elections is because we never asked you to accept a fascist. He is the antithesis of American values to the extent that not a single living US President endorsed or voted for him.
I have to say, for a “party of the constitution”, electing a man so dedicated to violating it… a man with a gold-plated toilet whose never once applied for a job in his life who you tell me speaks for the working class… Yeah… that one caught us by surprise a bit.
I am committed to reviewing all of Trumps plans (when he has them), and considering each on their merit, a basic fairness you and your congressional representatives denied President Obama. And given that you elected a man who was a pro-choice, pro-single payer, lifelong democrat until he wanted your vote, maybe he’s not going to do half or even any of what he says (and I’m not sure you care either way).
But we will vehemently oppose any of these proposals, or any like them, and based on his tenor and temperament, must and do begin opposition to him immediately on the assumption he intends to do what he says he will.
And for that, I must issue a reluctant thank you.
I’ve slept an average of three hours a night since the election, defending friends from online assaults, comforting my liberal brothers and sisters, some so terrified that they’ve made themselves sick (they include African Americans, Jews, Middle-Eastern immigrants, Hispanics, and friends who’s lives depend on provisions of the ACA). I remind them all of one thing, one little solace. We will win this.
How do I know that? Because we’ve always won.
See, we may lose every god damn battle, but we’ve won every war. In the 238-year history of the United States, we progressives have always won, and history has always proven us right. From freeing the slaves, civil rights, woman’s suffrage, ending child labor, the FDIC, Medicare, gay rights, food and drug inspection—all this country’s greatest moral achievements were achieved by liberals in the face of fierce un-relenting opposition by conservatives.
No matter how long it takes, we will win. We’ll beat back the forces of bigotry, misogynism, and brutality. It’s what we do. It’s what we’ve always done.
And we actually owe you a debt of gratitude, because we’d become complacent. We’d let our enthusiasm wane, let our leaders choose our candidates for us, stifled competition and good ideas within our own party…. we had become lazy, complacent, arrogant. We thought we could win simply by having good ideas. We forgot we had to live by them. We forgot we don’t win just by showing up, or by thinking of ourselves as better. We have to fight.
I do not fear Trump. He cannot intimidate me, he cannot bully me. And when the shock has worn off of my brethren, he, and every ignorant, race baiting, homophobic, xenophobic, islamaphobic self-righteous bible thumping holier-than-thou-conservative he’s placing in his cabinet, will find a wall of idealism, an army of people he cannot bully, intimidate, or shake.
You ask why we will not stand with this “president”? Because he never offered. He has spit in the face of people looking for unity, to come together. He is a bully, there can be no debate on this, and he wants us exactly as his director of African American Outreach so gleefully pointed out: on our knees where we can “bow down before him” worship “the most powerful man in the universe”.
I will never do any of those things. Ever. And so long as he demands just one of us kneel before him, we will stand. All of us.
I’d have thought you’d have had enough self-pride to realize that was too much to ask of any man.
And as I reach the conclusion of this letter, which you have patiently read to the end, I do have one request, and I make it to the man himself. The rumor is, Donny, that you’re keeping an enemies list. I hope it’s not true, that kind of thing has a bad precedent, and for good reason. If, however, it is true, I ask only one thing:
Kindly put my name at the top.
Nicholas Lamar Soutter
Well done Nick Soutter.
Thank you Nick!
Brilliant in every way, Nick.
Damn Nick why are you so scared? Don’t even think for one minute clinton would’ve made a better president or the socialist minded Sanders. Liberalism is choking this country to death and change is coming. You live where you can’t see the damage illegal immigrants do to the economy and workforce. You can’t see all the stinking drugs coming across the border along with the criminal element. Trump has his flaws but he’s by far the better of the two. We didn’t act like spoiled brats and riot and destroy private property when obama got elected so with all due… Read more »
Lol… You didn’t actually read the piece, did you? I may not know the plight of those suffering under illegal immigrants, but if the temperature keeps going up, that problem gets worse, not better, and I don’t think your christian heart cares one iota for the plight of Jews and blacks in this country. Just one question… Infant mortality is a an all time low, insured citizens at an all time high, life-expectancy all time high, crime nation wide at an all time low, and the economy is good (not great, but given the effects of a global recession, really… Read more »
N Lamar Please tell me what country do your live in ? I’m sure not the U.S. or you listen to all the b.s. the bias media puts out there. The people have spoken so deal with it !
Insurance premium’s so high it’s cheaper to pay the penalty and not have insurance and companies dropping out like dead flies. Crime in inner cities escalating (mostly because minorities have no jobs or hope so the turn to the drug trade). Wages are stagnant, our infrastructure is crumbling, we are more divided than the 60’s and racist hate groups like BLM get invited to the whitehouse. More blacks on welfare, less home ownership and vets dying while waiting for medical care. We can afford to relocate, house and feed tens of thousands of refugees but can’t give seniors a raise… Read more »
Yes… The man with a gold plated toilet, who has never applied for a job in his life, and was a life long pro-life single payer supporting democrat until he wanted your vote… He represents you and the working class… Okay, we’ll wait and see.
Dot Bader- Hunt OTFL… I know, right? I was as surprised as you to learn I live in the US. But I have the right to free speech (for now), so YOU deal with it.
It’s funny you mention Trump’s money, the clintons are rich as well. I fail to see what difference that makes.
It doesn’t. That he’s never had to apply for a job in his life does.
Alright now N Lamar soutter keep TELLING the truth and shaming these devils
Devils? You sound just like clinton. A lot of successful people never applied for a job. It doesn’t mean they didn’t work hard for what they have. clinton has lived a privileged life but that doesn’t seem to bother you.
And tyanna anyone that disrespects their ancestors that fought and died so you could live a better life is disgraceful. Your profile is full of the N word and that’s so sad.
Well, yeah… Hillary left home at 14 and started working as a Nanny, and Trump inherited $200 million dollars, so yeah, they were both kind of privileged. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Hey Lamar Google clintons childhood home and get back to me.
Vern Vilo -Her father had a drapery business and they were upper middle class,she was very popular in high school and graduated in the top 5,she had politics on the brain at a young age.Hillary worked her way up the ladder,it was not given to her.Donald Trump was born with a silver spoon in his mouth,so you need to do some real research.
Lamar thinks she left home at 14 to go to work. She went to Wesley college then Yale, she had a privileged life. Quit trying to make her out as some kind of working class hero.
Never said she was a working class hero. But putting her as “privileged” in the same league as Trump? Are you insane?
Vern, I don’t think you and I even speak the same language.
Sir you’re a liar the n word is a derogatory word no matter who uses it i DON’T throw the usage of that word around so please clear that up and DISRESPECT my ANCESTORS that’ll NEVER happen where are you getting this information PLEASE sir refrain from the usage of my name were you NOT taught NEVER EVER send for someone unless they send for you I’m NOT N Lamar I’ll break you down like a fraction and I most certainly wouldn’t go back and forward with you because I know that if you argue with a fool you become… Read more »
They both had money all their life, she’s never had to worry about paying bills or feeding her family either. That fact that she lied about her modest childhood should tell you something about her. She had you believing she Left home to go to work. You like to bash Trump because his dad was rich. It wasn’t his fault. He’s a billionaire now and largely financed his own campaign.
I got it from your profile and unless you deleted the post with the N word it’s still there for everyone to see. Your profile is full of vulgar “deplorable” language.
All the posts are mirrored to my website. Nobody can take them down. Someone using the N word? I got a simple fix for it. Send me a PM, Vern. Got no problem posting decency complaint to Facebook, they’ve been real good about that for me.
No Lamar is a post on her profile using nigga. I don’t approve of anyone using that word regardless of their race.
You must be referring to when I first joined Facebook let me explain to you if it’s still there how it happened my sisters kept pressuring me to join Facebook I didn’t want to so they set up me an account if the n word is there I didn’t post and I most certainly thought I had removed it i didn’t post it
Ahh… got it.
The usage of that word by my sisters was NOT used in a manner to suggest that they were speaking of black WHITE people made it a derogatory word towards blacks you do know the definition of the word nowhere in it’s definition does it say a black person it say an IGNORANT PERSON
No excuses. It’s a derogatory word and disrespectful. Any person that uses it loses all credibility with me.
Otfl. It’s a word. That’s all. I don’t like it, I hate it, never uttered it in my life, even when quoting people who used it. And I think it should be buried. But there are African Americans who like to use it because it helps them zap it of it’s power, lets THEM control the terms by which it is used, steal the meaning from those who put it in there. Women do the same with the C-word, or the B-Word. My friends do it with the word “Nerd” which they adopt as a mark of pride. I know… Read more »
Vern Vilo And the Clinton’s made their riches, not by working, but from the government!
You know what Lamar you just showed your true colors. As you can see I’m a big man but I don’t go around disrespecting overweight people. You can never take the sting out of words that are meant to hurt. It has nothing to do with political correctness but has everything to do with respecting each other no matter who we are. Most of my friends are Hispanic but they don’t go around calling each other spic, or wetback. The gay friends I have don’t go around calling each other faggot. I don’t respect anyone that acts like that period.
If you can’t respect yourself no one else will respect you
That’s the founding principal of Political Correctness–controlling language so as to not hurt anyone’s sense of self esteem. Oh, Vern, I’m enjoying this discussion.
OK Lamar let’s just call anyone anything. Let’s not respect each other at all. It has nothing to do with political correctness as I stated above but since you like to keep inserting into this conversation just remember the liberal left is the founder of PC. Your side is the one that can’t say radical islam, illegal alien etc.
OMG, that went from 0 to 60. So in your mind people who call each other names as part of good natured ribbing, or an acknowledgement of a shared history, or to show genuine admiration (the people who MOST respect my intelligence call me an idiot every chance they can, but I know them, I know they mean it playfully because they respect my intelegence) is EXACTLY the same as walking up to a stranger and using the N-word. Context is irrelevant?
Yes, I know my side can’t say “Radical Islam”… I just had no idea that you, a critic of that kind of PC, were on my side. Different words, but you’re on my side. Welcome aboard!
The word idiot does not have racial and discriminatory backgrounds, the N word does. FYI I’m on Jesu’s side who commands me to love my neighbor as myself.
Dot Bader- Hunt Let me get this straight… Since you guys accepted Obama, my side needs to grow up and deal with it, show the same maturity you guys did? Clearly we have a different recollection of past events…. http://imgur.com/gallery/Y7Zpt
N Lamar Soutter -Okay,who can forget that?
Katherine Sanchez The right, apparently.
What about racial and discriminatory background makes it that people can’t call friends the N-Word if they get the context, but they CAN call people other names. Is “faggot” okay? A lot of gays call eachother (and even themselves) that–no racial issues there. Can you draw me a line of EXACTLY what people can and can not call their friends and peers if it’s in a context they all accept?
I’ll put it this way, my friend base doesn’t act like that, we all respect each other and ourselves. If you want to participate in degrading each other then have at it.
If it’s to take ownership of the word, to take it out of the hands of the people who forced it on you, to change the meaning… That can have value. Don’t get me wrong, I’d rather nobody used the word. I don’t approve even under those circumstances. But I keep an open mind and certainly don’t look down on people for it.
N Lamar Soutter as well as most political figures.
Trumps s fucking lunatic, she may be career politician, but she at least is prepared to do the job.
Thanks for your input dayna but you are wrong. 🙂
Tell me, Vern, do you approve of the hiring of a known White Supremacist to co the top administrative position in the white house? I mean that as an honest question, I know a number of Christians who don’t have a problem with it (brings me back to the question we had when we first met… If Christians can’t agree on white supremacy…). Do you have a problem with it?
Lamar he is no worse than the muslim clinton had around her.
That’s not what I asked, and since Clinton lost, the point it moot. Trump is going to be president.. Do you support him hiring a known White Supremacist, first to co-chair his campaign, and now to the most powerful administrator in the Whitehouse? It’s a simple question.
A little FYI Lamar, clinton was inspired by Margaret Sanger, the woman that wanted to keep the black population down by abortion. Robert Byrd a known officer in the kkk was a good friend and mentor of clinton. Seems like you’d be more worried about all the unvetted Muslims in our country whose religion says to kill all unbelievers including gays and athiests.
Clinton Lost. If Trump goes out and shoots someone in the middle of Pennsylvania Ave, and I say “Do you support it?”, is your answer going to be “Hillary Did it” (and lets assume she did). Maybe YOU think two wrongs make a right. I don’t. Hillary is Gone. Why can’t you answer this rather simple question. Do you support Trump hiring a known White Supremacist to the most powerful administrative position in the White House? Why can’t you answer that?
You have said you love your neighbor as yourself. You have said you follow Jesus, his path is clear. The man you voted for has appointed a white supremacist, and I’m asking if you support that. Seems like a fair question to me.
I’m not going to get in a religious argument with you again. You’re trying to bait me and I won’t let you do it. I voted for Trump despite disagreeing with some of his policies.
Of Course, I agree. I disagree with Obama. When he CREATED Isis by drawing an invisible red line in the sand, I STOOD UP to him. I wrote on it, I still blame him. Right and wrong isn’t a partisan thing. It’s not a moral thing. YOU say you stand up for dignity and rights of all people. That’s easy to do when it’s people you oppose threatening those rights. But what about people you support? It’s a simple question, and you can’t answer it. You appear incapable. You once asked me to answer a simple yes or no question.… Read more »
We’re done here, Vern. A honest man, a real man of god, would have said “Of course I don’t support it. Are you crazy? But Trump isn’t prefect, and I this country needs him, and he can help, and here’s how…”. That’s what a man of God says (and I know this, because I count a number amongst my best friends, Including a Greek Orthodox Minister and the former pastor of St. Paul’s Parish in Harvard Square). It’s horrible, this appointment. But because it offers the possibility that Trump may not be the man you hope, you can’t look it… Read more »
I stood up against the evil wrong of clinton. I don’t need your respect nor do I care what your opinion of me is. If you don’t want me to post then you insure your posts don’t end up on my page. I did try to say this country needs Trump but got ridiculed. What should really scare you is the democrats wanting to let so many muslims into our country. What should really scare you is sanctuary cities protecting criminals. I sincerely hope none of your family is ever a victim of one of these protected criminals. What should… Read more »
Since you don’t believe in God why do you bring him up? You’re trying to hold me to a standard you don’t believe exists. Who are you to judge me?
You never asked us. You just rammed your agenda down. No if’s, no but’s, just your way. Now you want us to feel sorry for your agenda. Get real and suck it up buttercup. No more PC, no more BS. Grow a pair n’ join reality. We the People Have Spoken.
Not really. Most of the people do not want Trump. & no I don’t need a civics class. I’m talking about most of the people.
Lol… If a member of the Obama Cabinet said those who criticized Obama would have to “Bow Down before him”, you’d have blown a gasket. Don’t pretend you wouldn’t.
Actually the electoral voted him, not the majority of citizens. And like it or not we are citizens, who can express our dissatisfaction with this entire election.
It’s a good point. The people HAVE spoken, and Trump won anyway.
Hopefully Trump will ram it up y’all like Obama has done to the working class the past 8 years.
He will. I know that. That he’ll hit the working class, those who voted for him, harder than us doesn’t offer me the solace it once would have in my youth.
We will just sit back and watch this cluster. The one you elected will do much more harm than you thought has been done in the past eight years.. we’re prepared, by then we will have grieved, we won’t be distraught or let down. Hopefully, we won’t take pleasure in the failure either.. We will come together and take our country back. The country built on love and tolerance, that great country.
Bend over Chris I guarantee you will be first. One day you will say “I miss Obama”. When did free loader become more important than tax payer” ….lol Donald doesn’t pay taxes. I can’t believe I knew you people, racist all of you. The freeloaders are your politician. But what do you expect from Alabama.
Trina Frost we just took our country back.
Chris Childress from who?
For being irresponsible ?
the moron party sucks
I hope Trump doesn’t screw things up as badly as many people fear. He may be a clown, but he’s our clown and we’re stuck with him for the next four years. I’m also waiting to see how long it takes for his fans to realize that all his bellicose rhetoric was pure malarky. He is just starting to get a really, really, “yuge” dose of reality between now and Jan 20th.
He just put a known racist in a high position that says it all God Help America now because it’s about to hit the fan…
Breitbart? Are All of them racist?
No, just the ones who Bill Kristol a “Jewish, American elitist”, a “Renegade Jew”, and calls Jewish kids “whiny brats” and doesn’t want his girls going to school with them.
Norina Camarda Oh, this one… Yeah, I’m quoting Steve Bannon, the “known racist put in a high position”. I’m really quite confidant that Trump is just a racist, pussy-grabbing, bigoted misogynist. Never called him anti-Semitic. So take a little decaf, and try again.
I do not know him! That is why I asked
I work afternoons
Save the jokes and insults
Norina Camarda You said I called trump anti-Semitic. I didn’t. Don’t put words in my mouth.
Known racist like Hillary calling kids super predators??? Is that the kind of proof?? Or that they don’t know where or how to vote? Did you watch those project veritas videos? Because he compared the blacks to the HOLOCAUST! A huge donor? They lost across the board. You all should be working on something else besides blame and shame
Find the truth
You are attacking more than half the country!
Claiming a popular vote when the overseas votes haven’t been counted!
Police, border patrol, women, young voters, who voted their first time! How sick is that??? They don’t matter?
Evil really if you read wikileaks
Which had never been discredited
N Lamar Soutter his choice is the same! The KKK came out for him wants a parade
You all repeated it for a year??
Spin anything and everything because she has been desperate from the start. She couldn’t speak to the people. Media is crooked. Trump
Was oddly right about many things.
Just watched CNN and you basically repeated Van almost word for word and when he was shown to have fabricated a story of a fearful Muslim that may go to an internment camp. He didn’t correct himself
Donald trump Objectifies women, so right there he’s attacking over half the species. And I said earlier not everyone who voted for trump is racist or misogynist, so the people I’m attacking are less than half the country. I said the DNC is to blame, I said there should be no riots, I oppose overturning the election by electoral college delegates (legal, perfectly legal, but a bridge too far)… Who’s putting who into a box here? I want to hear from you, I want to understand you, but I’m having trouble understanding that torrent. You’ve misrepresented me at least twice… Read more »
Not trying to convert anyone! Lol but a fellow commenter was denouncing my faith and send me links to Islam
The religion of peace??
Well I don’t approve of that. Let me see if I can find it. I’ve banned people more than once. I detest bullies. If I can’t find it and don’t have a response for you in the morning, point it out to me please.
K, I see nothing in this thread. I’ll keep an eye out in the others, see if I see anything, but let me know who and where (PS–Wikiliks can’t be discredited. It’s all true–least what I’ve seen. The liberals who say it’s not lie–at least nobody’s shown me compelling evidence– and that lie causes the world to miss the point. Deplorable. No evidence a single leak was fake, and they have the ring of truth–just like the trump tape, by the way–that cuts both ways. He’s not bloviating, that’s clear).
I’m an Atheist, so I feel you. The number of things I get called, especially as a parent, and the number of times my car has been defaced (I’d always accused Christians of doing it, but I suppose it could have been Hindu’s…)… Well, it’s more than one, which is more than I suspect Jesus would have approved of. And I teach high school, and have to keep my beliefs to myself. I get compared to Hitler (which shows a stunning lack of familiarity with history). So I know.
@Norina Hillary won the popular vote it’s been proven anyone that says or put bullshit sights numbers up are lying…
Hillary won the popular vote. It doesn’t matter, but for the fact that facts matter. Donnie gets the job because of the electoral college, and it’s a system both sides agreed to and understood going in, so no complaining. But CHRIST, people don’t choose the news they want, they chose the facts they want.
Bannon runs Breitbart News, and under his leadership they published articles like “Why Equality and Diversity Departments Should Only Hire Rich, Straight White Men”, “Would you Rather Your Child Had Feminism or Cancer”, “There’s No Hiring Bias Against Women in Tech, They Just Suck At Interviews” “The Solution to Online ‘Harassment’ is Simple: Women Should Log Off” and “Attack of the Lying Brestapo Feminazis” (and I’m ignoring the Anti-Semitic stuff, I don’t have the time, posted some above…). This isn’t “the corrupt media” saying this. You can find these articles on Breitbart’s website. Trump just made Bannon co-chief of Staff,… Read more »
Here’s A good one: Because, for or against birth controll, all that’s important is how a woman looks (you don’t need the rest of the woman. Just the body). http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/12/08/birth-control-makes-women-unattractive-and-crazy/
Okay, okay, a Jew one to spice it up… Yeah, Mainstream media is crazy….. This is what Trump calls “Bringing America Together”, http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/15/bill-kristol-republican-spoiler-renegade-jew/
And you know what? At some point, if Trump keeps this up, I DO get to call him anti-semetic, because rather than repudiate these people, he hires them. And that’s a tacit enforcement.
Here Norina Camarda, this is a breitbart piece from when he was in charge. It’s called “Why diversity programs should ONLY hire white, straight males.”… And the editor responcible for this, is now #2 in the whitehouse. I’m sure it’s a coincidence that David Duke applauded this (quite loudly, I got 30 sources if you want it). http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/12/29/why-equality-and-diversity-departments-should-only-hire-rich-straight-white-men/
So since Trump knew ALL of this when he hired Bannon, seems to me at some point we get to start judging trump. This isn’t unity, but somehow liberals are getting blamed. I didn’t write these pieces. I didn’t hire the guy responsible. There’s a reason the KKK is endorsing this, and I don’t know what News YOU watch, but if you haven’t heard of this, that’s scary (either that or you have and don’t care, and that’s worse). This isn’t funny. I don’t like trumps picks so far, and it’s not hard to see why the KKK does.
Please find time to time 2 Presidents comparison . By the way I like Obama ! I supported him all the way ! But here is realty !
A lot of things created Isis. If you want the most proximate cause, it was Obama drawing a red line in the sand and then letting Assad waltz right over it. We wouldn’t have ISIS without Bush’s reckless presidency, but yeah, Obama’s mistakes allowed the full realization of Bush’s. Not sure how that qualifies Trump to fix the problem. A comparison of Trumps Rhetoric to Obama’s actions is laughably silly–trump hasn’t been given the chance to make mistakes yet (except in business, and 6 bankruptcies isn’t encouraging).
School of Life and Hard Knocks needs a better English department.
You’re an idiot and part of the problem.
I didn’t mean you Jan
PLEASE! Liberals are great losers. We’ve been doing it for the better part of two centuries.
You have a right to be upset. You do not have a right to riot and attack innocent people. Big difference.
I don’t. This piece says that, and I’ve repeatedly called for an and to rioting.
I’m sorry not you. The people who are rioting.
Protesting is not rioting.
Does white children/students and teachers have the right to chant build that wall or get ready for a boat ride do you want me to get trump to send back to Africa a place I MIGHT add we’ve NEVER been we are Americans what about all the violence and killings of unarmed black civilians what about white ppl spitting on black ppl what about a racist bigot who managed a Chile’s restaurant taking a meal from a black veteran who fought for this country that has NEVER FOUGHT for him/us YOU ppl feel you’re entitled to everything when your ANCESTORS… Read more »
I am not racist. No one should be murdered. I support all veterans. I don’t see color. I see people. My ancestors are from Italy and came here legally.
If you came home and people broke in your house would you just let them stay? No you would call the police and have them removed. No one in my family has ever harmed anyone. So back off.
Trump won fair and square. GOD bless America and GOD bless Donald Trump. Love Trumps Hate.
First of all and most important, I don’t remember the voting America getting out to rioting when Obama won 8 years ago !! The destruction of other people’s property and businesses is unacceptable and criminal ! Then there’s the fact that my husband and I are registered Democrats and we voted for Trump ! We want better than another 4-8 years of the same old thing ! We want better for our children, grandchildren and generations to come ! We’re just tired of being led around by this government ! We want fresh eyes and ears to see and hear… Read more »
I agree about the rioting, and have spoken out about it. And I refuse to sign the petition to free the EC delegates. And yes, Republicans didn’t riot when Obama was elected, but I specifically address that in this essay. It’s a false comparison in at least three ways. And if you think Trump will respect you or your children or grand children… No, I don’t think he respects anyone. That’s what got him elected.
I don’t think we need to be rid of the EC delegates either ! Time will tell how President Elect Trump does as our President ! I welcome the change and I’m excited for our futures !
No one knows how Trump will perform as POTUS so speculating out of bias news media or party line faithfulness on both sides of the isle is counterproductive. No one can say they know that he won’t do this or won’t do that, it’s all speculation which is not worth the paper it’s printed on. I am an independent thinker and voter and I voted for Trump because I was unhappy with direction of the Obama administration period. There is faulty charictaristcs from both candidates so to only condem one side is closed minded and frankly short-sided. All of the… Read more »
Give him the Same chance they gave Obama zero how they disrespected Obama his wife and children blocked everything he tried to accomplish give him a chance when all he promoted was hate and division and has appointed a white supremacist as his chief stradagest and you say give him a chance fuck Kim and his UGLY ASS CHILDREN
Joyce Conder Alexander You don’t remember 8 years ago? You and I have somewhat differing recollections. http://imgur.com/gallery/Y7Zpt
I don’t remember businesses, personal property and innocent citizens being destroyed ! No I don’t ! I do believe threads such as these are fueling the fire ! Thank you for noticing me from all the comments you could have noticed !
I’ve noticed most of them. I’ve got 150 replies on this topic in three threads. Don’t want to be noticed, don’t post. I reply to half the people who disagree with me on any of my posts, between this and half a dozen other posts, about 800 replies. Nobody singled you out. You came here.
I just thanked you ! I do agree with you on some points ! No all !
OH, OTFL. Sorry. I TOTALY misread that. My bad. 🙁
How can we believe in the research when it has been proven scientists were skewing numbers in order to retain their HUGE grants? 95% of journalists only reporting what they are told to??? The entire year all I heard, oh, go watch Faux news! 65 journalists were colluding with the Clinton campaign! They didn’t work for Fox or Breitbart. Which now, I hear is a racist news source!!! So really. It wasn’t about your climate change or anyone being a racist. We REFUSED TO VOTE FOR A LYING CRIMINAL❤️
1) Hillary has been investigated for 15 years by people desperate to put her in jail, and not found one single indictable offence. 2) Every Trump appointee thus far (like Newt and Palin) has, on average, more recorded ethics violations and reprimands than Hillary. 3) I didn’t believe the scientists either, it’s why I did the research myself. Only an idiot believes left or rightwing media. Takes between 4 to 10 hours of work, but you can figure out how and why scientists make these claims. 4) Glad it was proven. Always appreciate new facts. Show me the proof on… Read more »
I’ll add that Shell reached the conclusion in the 70’s that climate change was happening and we were causing it. This is Shell, mind you. They buried the report, but that was their conclusion (ask, I’ll get you the references).
This man here made more money denying climate change than he ever will saying it’s real. The Koch brothers funded him with a blank check most of his career, until this: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/30/opinion/the-conversion-of-a-climate-change-skeptic.html?_r=3&pagewanted=all
Thank you for the info. These are the publications that reported false stories all year. I just believe we need to take care of the water in Flint. The EPA was found guilty. They are not fixing the infrastructure. Many are sick. That’s why Hillary got the question ahead of time for the Debate…
Those things can not be left behind
All these lies! Who can believe anything!!
False stories? I’d be very interested in your supporting evidence for that. But at the very least, this story was confirmed by the Koch brothers. They hired this scientist to do the study, and the evidence he saw made him switch sides. Nobody has refuted this story, to the best of my knowledge. Did I miss something? I agree Flint is a problem, but if Global Warming is real, it strikes me as a tad more serious.
N Lamar Soutter tell that to the children who are permanently damaged ?
I will. If global warming is real, it will displace a billion people in a generation, cause famine, drought and suffering the likes of which are unparalleled in human history. Yes. I will tell children with lead poisoning that theirs is a suffering in a constellation of tragedies unfolding today. Of course I will, are you crazy?
N Lamar Soutter
If? If? So it is still theory. Thank you. We know these kids are sick now. The courts already ruled in their favor. You are comparing IF’s and but’s.
We KNOW THEY LIED
One day the big picture will come together. No point in arguing. ❤️???
No, you’re not reading what I’m writing. I said “If” for the sake of argument. See, you don’t think it’s true. But I do (I know the science, and my wife is a Doctor of Bio-Chemistry). You seem to think I should care more about lead in Flint than Global warming. But if I’m right (and I am, but that’s another argument), then global extinction is a bigger problem. Now I’m happy to argue the science with you, but what you cannot deny is that, if it’s real, it’s more important. That’s irrefutable. The question then becomes, well, is it… Read more »
I know it is true
They sent all the factories to China for one. Now they cannot go outside
You can take care of global warming and flint!
No special interests with flint though
When the EPA, DOJ, FBI, DNC, NY POST, cannot be trusted, you may want to let an administration or leader actually take care of the problem instead of PLAYING PAY TO PLAY FOR THEIR PROFIT NOT OURS…..You must not know the immediate effects of LEAD POISONING.
Our Great Lakes are GREAT, and we need to do something! Not make up theories and prove and disprove them.
We also have a sewage problem!! Dumping in our lakes…. Need jobs! No one is doing anything!!!
This says it all.
This is what wonderful Christian and Republicans supported this for the country to lead our country with REPUBLICANS values, the other half are bad sinners for standing with GLBT and the kind of abortion they claim their way, but supported a fraudulent corrupt immoral person with no values extreme lier that the LORD repute will con any thing if will benefit him a racist sexual pervert adulterous that threaten people life and it’s ok, this I s a double standards with sins if Christian support this Trump that’s is a ungodley man that broken every commanment under the sun but… Read more »
It’s this kind of judgement and hateful rhetoric that makes me ashamed to be a Christian some days. Find the love in your heart from Jesus and ask him to help you to read the Bible and understand the true message inside. Also a Dictionary may help you to understand the words you use that you can’t spell or use correctly.
It’s the spirit of the message dear Christian that you missed, not only in this message but the Bible also.
Angela Brooks-Lisota I stand with the “sinners” too at least I don’t pretend to be without sin. Kinda makes me think that the righteous Christians holding and spewing their exalted moral behavior amongst us sinners tell the biggest lie of all. They and they alone, like Trump hold up the highest standards of morality as they support men that are adulterers, coveting thy neighbors wife( where did I read you can’t do that? Remind me ye without sin? Oh to go on and on and on…
I stand shoulder to shoulder with the author of this paper
AlandJoann Karolchik – try reading this article to the end. It’s a good read. 1) Just to set the record straight TRUMP RIGGED THE ELECTION – therefore Trump stole the election 2) HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTES JUST REMEMBER THAT and only 93% of the votes have been counted 3) there was an article in our local news paper that TRUMP OFFERED GIFTS TO MEGAN KELLY to influence coverage of the presidential race and MAY HAVE gotten a tip on a debate question. YOU can purchase her book tomorrow ” Settle for More” Hope your educated a bit more… Read more »
You are delusional…..
Wow what a long winded poor me tirade. Your afraid? Wow I guess you also were never told that there is no participation medal for life. I’m sorry. There will be disappointments in life. Look at the bright side. You have another chance to vote in 4 years.
Well, I’m not black, so maybe….
What a load of rubbish
“Garbage” not “rubbish,”… In the states we say “What a load of Garbage”
I’ll stick with my own words, thanks
My heart hurts. And I am sick to my core. I am glad that some understand why I mourn, N Lamar Soutter.
so far Trump has walked back every promise he’s made, I’m waiting to see how long it will take his supporters to realize they’ve all been duped…he’s draining the swamp? how? his vice president pick is establishment personified….and his cabinet pick Bannon who ran his campaign is head of the alt-right which will cause more havoc than one can imagine…he’s already brought in his personal lobbyists of course….what happened to the promise he would get rid of them?
The KKK don’t like blacks, Hispanics, immigrants, gays and Jew. The KKK will be in the white house leading this country to destruction. We cannot just sit back instead get involve to save this country and the world. We do not want a modern day Hitler.
You are not informed. One of Hillary’s mentors was a member of the KKK: Robert Byrd. Trump has no association with the KKK. They backed him and that doesn’t mean he agrees with their political agenda. LOL nation.foxnews.com/…/flashback-hillary-clinton-praised-former-kkk-member-robert-…
You really shouldn’t believe anything from Fox News, try a reputable source (or two.)
Gabrielle Western You’re right, Trump has no association with the KKK. But when he refuses to repudiate them, or stumbles and repudiates David Duke only after pressure from the public, or puts a known white supremacist into the single most important white house administrative position (to the EXTREAM delight of the KKK), you kinda got to wonder… Am I going to judge Trump by who Hillary has as a mentor, or what he does in office. Doesn’t agree with their Agenda? Then why is he following it?
N Lamar Soutter LOL Trump is the President elect for one week. I think the man has been very busy and it hasn’t been on parties and flights out of country. So, I think you should cut him some slack before you judge. I love all of the labels that are being attached to those around him. White supremacist and antisemitic are the two most used. The problem with them are they have been attached to someone with out any deeds to prove them. I haven’t looked up the White supremacist thing but I do know the antisemitic was assigned… Read more »
No, no no. I put a list above of the articles printed during his running of brightbart, about radical Jews, women who are ruining the internet for men and don’t belong in the Tech industry, and a whole bunch more. He didn’t write them, but he’s responsible for them. There’s a reason the KKK has applauded his appointment. They’re thrilled. There’s a reason. I’m not quoting the media, I’m reading the stuff HE let get published. I’ll put some up in a bit, got to go feed the family. But You’re the one not looking into it. The KKK loves… Read more »
N Lamar Soutter Okay, I believe you. I said I hadn’t looked into all of Trump’s appointments. I will look into it soon.
Breitbart News, and under Brannon’s leadership, published articles like “Why Equality and Diversity Departments Should Only Hire Rich, Straight White Men”, “Would you Rather Your Child Had Feminism or Cancer”, “There’s No Hiring Bias Against Women in Tech, They Just Suck At Interviews” “The Solution to Online ‘Harassment’ is Simple: Women Should Log Off” and “Attack of the Lying Brestapo Feminazis” (and I’m ignoring the Anti-Semitic stuff, I don’t have the time, posted some above…). Now you may not find anything wrong with these. But the KKK LOVED these articles and more (and they’re all still up at Breitbart). It’s… Read more »
Those were titles and not the articles. LOL If I were offended from every misleading title I have seen, I would constantly be offended.
Read what David Duke had to say about this (don’t believe my source, it’s in multiple places. He’s thrilled, and he’s being vocal about it). Duke has A LOT of reasons to think this is good news for him, and that’s scary. And if you don’t agree after seeing these stories, I find that scary too. http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/14/politics/white-nationalists-on-bannon/index.html
Ahh, here’s one…. http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2Ftech%2F2015%2F12%2F08%2Fbirth-control-makes-women-unattractive-and-crazy%2F&h=aAQEGQTXn
And another…. http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2F2016-presidential-race%2F2016%2F05%2F15%2Fbill-kristol-republican-spoiler-renegade-jew%2F&h=KAQG4nIfY
Now, if you think there’s nothing wrong with these or the others, congratulations, neither does the KKK. They LOVE this, and have (above) thanked trump for the appointment, and it’s easy to see why. Bannon hasn’t done anything racist? Are you insane?
Here’s a classic… Now lets play…. Why do the KKK think Bannon might be an AWESOME person to take the #1 slot on whitehouse staff. It’s subttle, so take your time…. http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/12/29/why-equality-and-diversity-departments-should-only-hire-rich-straight-white-men/
Got cut off. Only Hire White, Straight Males, is the rest of the title…
But We’re the one labeling people…. Yeah. Well lets drop the labels and just say that the KKK likes him, and I think I can see why.
Gabrielle Western You’re right. Those are just the titles. Read them, tell me for a SECOND that the title doesn’t accurately reflect the title. The only way to not see that he’s a white nationalist is to not want to see it. The man you voted for knowingly put a white supremacist into the #1 staff position. I’ve shown you the evidence, you appear to have a genuine interest in researching the appointment. Am I wrong?
Fox nation LMFAO ur another idiot that is a racist nuff said…
Thank you Mr Soutter, you are right on point.
Beautiful letter and it is very true! But you might as well talk to a sign post. Repub-kkkers have a one track mind that even the devil doesn’t comprehend.
I wrote it for the left as much as the right. We need to remember that we win. It’s what we do. Period. We lose battles left and right. Long haul, the history-our history–American history, is of progressive victories despite fierce conservative opposition at every step. We drag them kicking and screaming into the light, and find a new war to fight. And we need to remember that.
This says it all beautifully.
Best letter I have read in a long time. I am with you. Add my name to the top of the list as well.
Thank you. 🙂
The sad fact is that most who voted for Trump/Pence are likely not going to willingly read this and, if they do, they likely are so committed to being right and standing their ground you…we, can never get them to think logically and admit they got conned. Thus far, his administration appears to be the worst of the worst!
Thank you for this. It is comforting to read a well written piece that gets to the point and does so in a non-threatening way. Bravo!! ??????????
Beautifully expressed….eloquent and in represents my feelings….
Some good stuff! Thank you for sharing..
Conservatives may not ever have accepted the Obama presidency, but I don’t recall rioting, burning flags, destruction of other people’s property, harming other people, or blocking traffic because of it…
I know. I’ve yet to meet a conservative who remembers it. It’s seared into my mind. It was BRUTAL. http://imgur.com/gallery/Y7Zpt
harming other people?! THE REPORT CAME OUT YESTERDAY…oh yeah, your uneducated so can’t read….HATE CRIMES AND VIOLENCE AGAINST CERTAIN GROUPS IS UP 70 PERCENT SINCE YOUR POS HITLER WANNABE SUPPOSEDLY WAS VOTED IN BY THE PEOPLE….WHICH IS ANOTHER LIE, AS ALWAYS!!!!! HILLARY WON THE PEOPLE’S VOTE, BY WELL OVER A MILLION VOTES!!!!!!! THIS VILE POS WILL NEVER BE MY PRESIDENT!!!!! NEVER!!!!!! HE IS JUST SEWAGE WASTE
I don’t see any evidence, in those photos, of conservatives destroying other people’s property, harming other people, or blocking traffic so that emergency vehicles couldn’t go though…
I think all of the riots (not protests) are done by immature people… burning effigies, or the flag… immaturity! On EITHER side!
No… They’re not ^
Now, this is not to deny the reality of racism, but more to discourage the spreading of misinformation.
Where is the evidence for these hate crimes? Aside from Facebook and Twitter posts that have gone viral?
Harming other people’s property, blocking traffic which may contain emergency vehicles, and beating other people is DEFINITELY a huge sign of immaturity.
Diana Kerr Well, I posted pictures up there. I used those because they’re the ones I remember myself. I remember the burning effigy of Obama hanging from a rope. And the Tea Party protests weren’t particularly mature–Obama with a bone through his nose, and the FBI has reported Hate crimes are higher in the last 7 days even than after 9/11. The only way to not see the evidence is to choose to not see it.
Yes, those things are immature… HOWEVER… there’s no sign of destruction of other’s property, no sign of people being beaten up because they voted for Obama or had an Obama bumper sticker on their car, no signs of blocking traffic so that emergency vehicles couldn’t get through, etc….
Tell me, do you approve of the hiring of a known white supremacist to the #1 administrative position in the white house?
Depends… about whom are you speaking?
According to a LOT of things posted by liberals recently, if you’re not a liberal yourself, then you must be a white supremacist.
You see, as far as I’m concerned, there’s no such thing as racism on planet Earth. Why? Because there’s no such thing as more than one race on planet Earth…. human beings. It doesn’t matter how much melanin you have, or do not have, if you’re human then you’re HUMAN. I’ve taught my children that the only way you can be better than someone else is to be nicer than they are because hair, eyes, skin, economic standing, WHATEVER has nothing to do with the PERSON… most times a person has NO CHOICE about these conditions, so how can someone… Read more »
Especially considering that NO ONE has been hired for ANY position in the Trump administration yet….
Diana Kerr a man just got fired from his job because he took a selfie of him flipping off a car that had a Hillary sticker on it. He was supposed to be changing oil. The husband of one of my friends was having supper with a “friend.” All of a sudden the “friend” got mad at him for supporting Hillary, yelled profanities at him (in the restaurant), left, came back p, and yelled more profanities. My frien’s husband was very cautious leaving the restaurant because he did not know if the other man was waiting for him or not.… Read more »
Diana, for God’s sake look it up. You are not informed at all. Terrible.
Diana Kerr Factually untrue. He’s hired a number of staff positions, including Chief of Staff and Chief Adviser. And one of those is demonstrably a white supremacist (ask, I’ll get you sources..)
Joan M. Edwards There are definitely immature people on both sides, as I said in my previous posts. He may have announced who he’s thinking about placing in those positions, but he’s just the President-Elect… he has no real power or positions yet.
I believe in America, a Constitutional Republic, where all men are created equal and endowed with rights by God. I hold no ill will against anyone who votes differently than me or thinks differently than me. But face it… they basically put the ABSOLUTELY WORST Democratic candidate up against the ABSOLUTELY WORST Republican candidate for the office of President…. and this is what we got. There was NO WAY I was going to vote for Hillary Clinton because of her adult lifelong corruption and there were just too many issues which I could not abide… and I’m sure you had… Read more »
I can tell by the Trump image that this is going to be more whining.
Annnd I was right